4th and 5, the national championship on the line right here…

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require presidential approval

My first reaction was ‘whoa, that seems unusual, like when Nixon declared the national champion after the Arkansas-Texas game?’ and then I realized it’s the school president…


I don’t think it’s a bad football hire on paper (that is, I think he can achieve bowl eligibility more often than not). But he’s a PR headache. That, coupled with the fact he’s not been an HC yet (feels kind of Sam Pittman-esque to me), would have me looking elsewhere. They couldn’t get some MAC or FCS coach without baggage? Heck, if they really want to win they could’ve gotten Art Briles himself…

We could not be more excited to welcome Jeff, his wife Staley, and their children Kora and Kane to the Mississippi State family

Also, anyone who chooses those names/spellings for their children is possibly a psychopath.


By the time I even heard about the Stoops “hire” it had already been kaboshed. He may still leave Lexington though, if a certain Ferentz rides off into the sunset…

I also won’t believe A&M has a new coach until I see the preemptive natty trophy


His experiment of tanking in college which backfired by D’Eriq King transferring sealed his fate years ago. I feel like they only kept him on to smooth over the transition into the Big XII as best as possible.

Curious who he’s replaced by. I hear mentions of Traylor, but why choose Houston over San Antonio? I also heard Gary Patterson’s name floated, but I don’t think they’ll have much appetite for another Big XII retread. Maybe they can bring him on just to coach the Baylor game though…


So it came out after the firing that apparently they settled on a $15M buyout. Not sure why Allen would agree to that, but it does save them a little.

I also get the feeling that they see KU, UNC, and Duke doing well in football and they feel left out. More importantly, a lot of insiders are projecting a massive restructuring of FBS in about 5 years. If Indiana can’t demonstrate that they “add value” (barf) to the Super-Premier-TV-Fantasy League then they will be left behind like WSU and OSU.


1. Georgia 2. Michigan (+1) 3. Washington (+1) 4. Florida State (+1) 5. Oregon (+1) 6. Ohio State (-4) 7. Texas 8. Alabama 9. Missouri (+1) 10. Penn State (+1) 11. Ole Miss (+1) 12. oklahoma (+1) 13. LSU (+1) 14. Arizona (+2) 15. Louisville (-6) 16. Notre Dame (+1) 17. Tulane (+1) 18. Iowa (+2) 19. Oklahoma State (+2) 20. Liberty (+2) 21. (T-21) North Carolina State (new) 22. (T-21) Oregon State (-6) 23. Toledo 24. James Madison 25. SMU (new) Others receiving votes: Tennessee, Clemson, K-State, Utah, Troy, Kansas, New Mexico State, Kentucky, Memphis, UNC, Miami (OH) Dropped out: K-State, Tennessee
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My ballot. Computer poll. The Wolverines are stretching their sizable lead in the top spot, Oregon has settled comfortably into #2, and the muddle remains for the next 8 places.

Jayhawks and Ponies are back in the rankings. The LA schools tumble out (I accidently put the Cal-UCLA score in backwards at first and had to check everything again when I noticed the Bruins were slated to rise 6 places…)

Full ranking:
Rank Change Team Record Points
1 - Michigan 12-0 915
2 +1 Oregon 11-1 844
3 +1 Georgia 12-0 809
4 -2 Ohio State 11-1 808
5 +3 Texas 11-1 801
6 -1 Florida State 12-0 790
7 - Oklahoma 10-2 786
8 -2 Washington 12-0 776
9 +1 Penn State 10-2 767
10 -1 Notre Dame 9-3 762
11 +3 Arizona 9-3 710
12 -1 Alabama 11-1 709
13 -1 Kansas State 8-4 693
14 -1 Louisville 10-2 675
15 +2 LSU 9-3 668
16 +7 Missouri 10-2 654
17 -2 Oregon State 8-4 649
18 +1 Liberty 12-0 639
19 +1 Ole Miss 10-2 635
T20 +8 Kansas 8-4 632
T20 -2 Texas A&M 7-5 632
22 +5 SMU 10-2 627
23 -2 Iowa 10-2 625
24 +1 Clemson 8-4 622
T25 - Duke 7-5 620
T25 +9 Virginia Tech 6-6 620
27 -12 USC 7-5 619
T28 +5 Tennessee 8-4 605
T28 +1 Wisconsin 7-5 605
T30 -8 North Carolina 8-4 602
T30 +6 Miami (FL) 7-5 602
32 -1 UCF 6-6 598
33 -3 Utah 8-4 592
34 +9 JMU 11-1 590
T35 -3 Oklahoma State 9-3 589
T35 +3 Iowa State 7-5 589
37 -13 UCLA 7-5 587
38 +9 Maryland 7-5 580
39 +7 NC State 9-3 578
40 +12 Kentucky 7-5 576
41 +1 West Virginia 8-4 571
42 -6 New Mexico State 10-3 566
T43 -2 Auburn 6-6 564
T43 - Washington State 5-7 564
45 +3 Troy 10-2 561
46 -1 Nebraska 5-7 559
47 -8 UTSA 8-4 554
48 -8 TCU 5-7 549
49 +6 Toledo 11-1 546
50 +6 Appalachian State 8-4 545
51 -2 Georgia Tech 6-6 541
52 +2 Miami (OH) 10-2 536
53 -4 UNLV 9-3 534
54 -2 Florida 5-7 533
55 -20 Texas Tech 6-6 531
56 -5 South Alabama 6-6 530
T57 +8 Memphis 9-3 524
T57 +5 Northwestern 7-5 524
59 +3 Tulane 11-1 518
60 -1 South Carolina 5-7 516
61 +16 California 6-6 514
62 +2 Illinois 5-7 513
T63 -6 Fresno State 8-4 512
T63 -3 Jacksonville State 8-4 512
T65 +2 Ohio 9-3 511
T65 - Boise State 7-5 511
67 -9 Rutgers 6-6 510
T68 -7 Air Force 8-4 507
T68 -1 Colorado 4-8 507
70 - Purdue 4-8 504
71 - Northern Illinois 6-6 500
T72 +7 Wyoming 8-4 492
T72 +1 San Jose State 7-5 492
74 +2 Syracuse 6-6 489
75 -3 Minnesota 5-7 483
76 +4 Bowling Green 7-5 481
77 +9 Louisiana 6-6 478
78 -9 Arkansas 4-8 471
79 -5 Boston College 6-6 465
80 -2 Houston 4-8 462
81 +1 Rice 6-6 459
82 +3 Pittsburgh 3-9 456
T83 +4 Texas State 7-5 449
T83 +5 Wake Forest 4-8 449
85 +5 Western Kentucky 7-5 447
86 -12 Coastal Carolina 7-5 446
87 +3 BYU 5-7 441
88 -8 Georgia Southern 6-6 439
89 - Mississippi State 5-7 434
90 -6 Cincinnati 3-9 432
T91 +1 FAU 4-8 431
T91 +4 Indiana 3-9 431
93 -11 Virginia 3-9 429
94 - Old Dominion 6-6 428
95 - Utah State 6-6 427
96 -4 Arkansas State 6-6 422
97 +1 UNT 5-7 418
T98 +3 Marshall 6-6 416
T98 - Colorado State 5-7 416
100 - Middle Tennessee 4-8 412
101 +6 Eastern Michigan 6-6 411
102 +15 USF 6-6 406
103 +4 Baylor 3-9 404
104 +2 Sam Houston 3-9 402
T105 +6 Georgia State 6-6 392
T105 +11 San Diego State 4-8 392
T105 -2 Buffalo 3-9 392
108 +5 Hawaii 5-8 387
109 +1 Central Michigan 5-7 383
110 +4 ECU 2-10 380
T111 +4 Ball State 4-8 379
T111 -10 Arizona State 3-9 379
T113 -16 Army 5-6 377
T113 -4 Western Michigan 4-8 377
115 -12 Michigan State 4-8 372
116 +4 UAB 4-8 371
117 +1 UTEP 3-9 367
118 -13 Louisiana Tech 3-9 360
119 -7 Navy 5-6 355
120 +8 Connecticut 3-9 353
121 +1 Akron 2-10 352
T122 +3 New Mexico 4-8 348
T122 -3 Stanford 3-9 348
T124 -3 Charlotte 3-9 345
T124 -1 Vanderbilt 2-10 345
126 +3 Tulsa 4-8 342
127 -1 FIU 4-8 338
128 -1 Southern Mississippi 3-9 329
129 -5 Nevada 2-10 324
130 +1 Massachusetts 3-9 312
131 -1 Temple 3-9 304
132 - UL Monroe 2-10 284
133 - Kent State 1-11 259

I had a hunch this would happen, as I outlined in the firings predictions thread.

I still don’t know how he lasted 6 years. I know this is a program it’s historically hard to win at, but it should be feasible to consistently make bowl games in the current iteration of the CUSA.


As I predicted in this thread.

What I didn’t know when I made that prediction is that they would save $12M if they waited to fire him after next season. I am kind of surprised they didn’t opt to save the cash, since they’re not going to realistically achieve much with a new HC.


Record at Indiana: 33-49 Buyout: $20.8M (third most expensive known buyout in CFB history)
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Record at New Mexico (his alma mater): 11-32 Not sure what his buyout is but I can't imagine it's much.
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Record at UTEP: 20-49 Buyout: $667,292 (absolutely nothing compared to a lot of these)
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Cal and UCLA are playing right now and I just want to say, pour one out for the PAC-12 After Dark, everyone. I now live on the east coast and have a day job so I can’t do it anymore, but I have fond memories of staying up when I was in college to watch those games. This may be the last one as we know it, but I hope that whatever next year holds this sort of game continues in spirit.


More than just a little handsy

Commentators should not use that term to refer to players getting chippy. It sounds like something else is afoot…



I thought I was in for a Midwestern blizzard strugglefest, but no, Big XII gonna Big XII. No shortage of explosive plays in this one


Lol at the XP knocking snow off the FG net

Also, did they say Anthony Becht is in the house? If they showed him I missed it. Hope he’s repping the Battlehawks. Ka-Kaw!



His Louisiana teams seemed fairly disciplined. Is this just a Florida thing that I’m too Texan to understand?



Oh, ISU is down Verdon? That’s a blow, he was like the only decent defensive player against Texas last week


Second clown reference in this thread so I’ll ask: is that a generic insult or is there a story there I’m not aware of?


Man, ISU is just an explosive play generator. Tin foil hat time: it’s because the away unis are camo in blizzard conditions


FSU calls a TO to avoid delay of game… that is a mistake. I will die on the hill that you should almost never use timeouts on offense. They need to be saved for defense and/or the end of the game


Can’t say I’ve heard spitting called as a penalty before, but this is the team that brought us the cleat yeet so they are always a wild card



Mertz is wearing a really sick cap. I hope that’s for sale, love old school style merch like that


Well, an 18 second scoring drive and we have a “How do you do?” already



I found the botched fake amusing, but was amazed so many players continued to play through sustained whistles. Seems dangerous to me. I wonder if anyone had made tackles if that would have resulted in penalties


[Game Thread] #25 North Carolina @ NC State - November 25, 2023 at 8:00 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | NC State | ^25^ UNC | Sat 11/25, 8:00 PM ET | ACCN | Carter-Finley Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] Iowa State @ #19 Kansas State - November 25, 2023 at 8:00 PM ET
_Farmageddon!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | ^19^ K-State | Iowa State | Sat 11/25, 8:00 PM ET | FOX | Bill Snyder Family Stadium | |
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I was distracted by other games so rewound this to watch the TD. I would have expected FSU’s defense to be better


So Sanders goes 1 and 7 down the stretch, with the last loss possibly being the last PAC12 Network game. But hey, maybe a whole dozen people might have watched it.


Aw nuts. Really thought he might pull that FG. Sigh. Where am I going to get the chaos for Texas to sneak into the playoffs?


Oh snap, this game is still going?! I got distracted with the Iron Bowl and a 2OT BYU-OSU game. Still tied, huh?


Ah, gutted for BYU. Really thought they might pull off the upset, and almost convinced myself Texas would get a shot at revenge against ou in the CCG.

Well, congrats, Pokes! Looking forward to a VERY orange CCG next week!


[Game Thread] Clemson @ South Carolina - November 25, 2023 at 7:30 PM ET
_The Palmetto Bowl!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | South Carolina | Clemson | Sat 11/25, 7:30 PM ET | SECN | Williams-Brice Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] #2 Georgia @ Georgia Tech - November 25, 2023 at 7:30 PM ET
_Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Georgia Tech | ^2^ Georgia | Sat 11/25, 7:30 PM ET | ABC | Bobby Dodd Stadium | |
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Same! Beating Alabama was the best individual game for me, obviously, but pound for pound this week has delivered with the craziness so far.


I had this one on upset alert a couple weeks ago, but ironically I think the injury improves FSU’s chances of winning…

But I have been saying all day to never go against 5-6 teams at home. Plus, Swamp VoodooTM. Go, orange team!!!



They’re working overtime keeping these balls dry

A real quote from this game




[Game Thread] #17 Notre Dame @ Stanford - November 25, 2023 at 7:00 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Stanford | ^17^ Notre Dame | Sat 11/25, 7:00 PM ET | PAC12 | Stanford Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] #4 Florida State @ Florida - November 25, 2023 at 7:00 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Florida | ^4^ Florida State | Sat 11/25, 7:00 PM ET | ESPN | Ben Hill Griffin Stadium | |
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Wait, I just realized they paint both the UW and Wazzu logos on the field. I guess they always do that in this series?

I dunno. I think I would throw up if I saw ou or A&M’s logo painted on Texas’s field


[Game Thread] Washington State @ #1 Washington - November 25, 2023 at 4:00 PM ET
_The Apple Cup!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | ^1^ Washington | Washington | Sat 11/25, 4:00 PM ET | FOX | Husky Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] Vanderbilt @ #25 Tennessee - November 25, 2023 at 3:30 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | ^25^ Tennessee | Vanderbilt | Sat 11/25, 3:30 PM ET | SECN | Neyland Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] Wisconsin @ Minnesota - November 25, 2023 at 3:30 PM ET
_Battle for Paul Bunyan's Axe!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Minnesota | Wisconsin | Sat 11/25, 3:30 PM ET | FS1 | Huntington Bank Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] #18 Arizona @ Arizona State - November 25, 2023 at 3:30 PM ET
_Duel in the Desert!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Arizona State | ^18^ Arizona | Sat 11/25, 3:30 PM ET | ESPN | Mountain America Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] BYU @ Oklahoma State - November 25, 2023 at 3:30 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Oklahoma State | BYU | Sat 11/25, 3:30 PM ET | ABC | Boone Pickens Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] #8 Alabama @ Auburn - November 25, 2023 at 3:30 PM ET
_The Iron Bowl!_ | **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Auburn | ^8^ Alabama | Sat 11/25, 3:30 PM ET | CBS | Jordan-Hare Stadium | |
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[Game Thread] Colorado @ Utah - November 25, 2023 at 3:00 PM ET
| **Home Team** | **Away Team** | **Time** | **Broadcast** | **Venue** | **Notes** | | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | Utah | Colorado | Sat 11/25, 3:00 PM ET | PAC12 | Rice-Eccles Stadium | |