You can’t reason someone out of an unreasonable position.
Hitting a flat earther with logic and facts will obviously be counter productive. Even a modicum of empathy and curiosity as to why someone thinks the way they do will serve you well.
But in that case, the battle is already lost. I cannot engage with the person in a manipulative emotional way to use their emotions to shock them out of their mistaken positions. Any further communication regarding the matter is useless. And glossing over some topics is being an accomplice, but apparently that’s the only viable response.
Knowing why they believe ss they do will do nothing to help me show them their mistake.
Conversations are about much more than who is wrong and who is right.
Departing with people espousing damaging views for society, given that as you say reason is not a tool that works, is pointless.
Really? Leaving people to believe stupid, damaging, dangerous things just because you don’t want to make a scene or don’t want even the least hint of rudeness (probably because you learned that extreme politeness, even at your own expense, is a value) seems a lot less empathetic to me.
But you do you and follow “your own truth”.
Are you defending leaving the people believe whatever they want, however wrong, damaging, wrongheaded, contrary to evidence or inane, just to avoid offending them? If not, what is your fucking point?!
Creationists denounce those who believe in ID as atheists
Utterly false. ID is a “wedge strategy” to insert creationism in science teaching and law making.
I think we should push religion to be more progressive, and bring them closer to everyone else’s reality.
I think we should cut totally any influence of religion in education and politics. And then use education to help believers realize themselves that religion is nonsense and that they should drop it.
“Push religion” is leaving space to religions to be considered acceptable ideas. That space should be reduced to zero by exposing its absurdity.